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Gustav Söderström

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588 total appearances

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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

It's old school engineering, exposing all this data that we have so that you can have a reasoning engine reason for you as a product person or actually for me as a consumer potential over my own data in real time. So I think that's what's happening.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

It's old school engineering, exposing all this data that we have so that you can have a reasoning engine reason for you as a product person or actually for me as a consumer potential over my own data in real time. So I think that's what's happening.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

So the combination of now there's a standard MCPs that you can wrap these APIs in, and many of these companies, at least us, trying to expose all of this data means that a business person, a lawyer, a product person, a designer will be able to use Cursor without having to code. And they can actually at least prototype or talk to real services. That, I think, is the journey that we're on.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

So the combination of now there's a standard MCPs that you can wrap these APIs in, and many of these companies, at least us, trying to expose all of this data means that a business person, a lawyer, a product person, a designer will be able to use Cursor without having to code. And they can actually at least prototype or talk to real services. That, I think, is the journey that we're on.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

It started with developers. But I think as you expose the infrastructure and wrap it in APIs, I think it's going to have to go outside.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

It started with developers. But I think as you expose the infrastructure and wrap it in APIs, I think it's going to have to go outside.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

Is a way to say that and lose a lot, but summarize it, that what we've seen happen with developers is going to happen. I'm surprised that it's Cursor that they're using. That's quite interesting. But with other similar tools.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

Is a way to say that and lose a lot, but summarize it, that what we've seen happen with developers is going to happen. I'm surprised that it's Cursor that they're using. That's quite interesting. But with other similar tools.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

And that just more of our work is going to feel like we're working with a team, speaking to a team, using natural language to prototype things, to try things. And that will diffuse slowly through the entire, not only just the hours of the software developer, but the hours of each of the other functional areas.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

And that just more of our work is going to feel like we're working with a team, speaking to a team, using natural language to prototype things, to try things. And that will diffuse slowly through the entire, not only just the hours of the software developer, but the hours of each of the other functional areas.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

Yeah, I think so. It's hard to see where it's going to land because you're somewhere right now, but we're pretty certain that that somewhere is on this curve. So you can be pretty certain that... The workflows you see right now are not going to be the same. And that's actually one of the problems. How much are we going to build for what we see right now?

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

Yeah, I think so. It's hard to see where it's going to land because you're somewhere right now, but we're pretty certain that that somewhere is on this curve. So you can be pretty certain that... The workflows you see right now are not going to be the same. And that's actually one of the problems. How much are we going to build for what we see right now?

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

When you know the models are going to be more capable, there are going to be different tooling very soon. So you don't want to overfit too much to the moment. A reasonable...

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

When you know the models are going to be more capable, there are going to be different tooling very soon. So you don't want to overfit too much to the moment. A reasonable...

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

view of a modern company is that all of its data is exposed in real time and you have some tool on top like cursor or something else maybe different tools for different skills maybe a tool more the licensing team at spotify may have a different tool to reason over all the contracts and quickly say do we think we can do this in that market and what do we need to license to do this but also the product team could ask that

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

view of a modern company is that all of its data is exposed in real time and you have some tool on top like cursor or something else maybe different tools for different skills maybe a tool more the licensing team at spotify may have a different tool to reason over all the contracts and quickly say do we think we can do this in that market and what do we need to license to do this but also the product team could ask that

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

licensing engine. We have 15 years of contracts, both current and previous. So this AI has a lot of insight into what music licensing looks like, more than any single person in Spotify, if you train it that way. There will probably be slightly custom interfaces for different skills. I'm not sure which is going to win out. But I think it's going to look something like that.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

licensing engine. We have 15 years of contracts, both current and previous. So this AI has a lot of insight into what music licensing looks like, more than any single person in Spotify, if you train it that way. There will probably be slightly custom interfaces for different skills. I'm not sure which is going to win out. But I think it's going to look something like that.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

Right now, what we see people doing is they're sharing examples of prompts they used for the workflows and then prototypes that they've used. And that feels like very much a point in time. It's kind of hacky and different things.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

Right now, what we see people doing is they're sharing examples of prompts they used for the workflows and then prototypes that they've used. And that feels like very much a point in time. It's kind of hacky and different things.