Hal Puthoff
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first heard May 2025
last heard May 2025
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But anyway, the reason I'm trying to get around to answering your question was that I then wrote this up and circulated around to other physicists. And pretty soon, the CIA come landing on my doorstep and said, oh, have we been looking for you? And I said, you know, why? Well, they looked in my background.
They saw that I had, between my master's degree and Ph.D., I'd been a naval intelligence officer at the National Security Agency. I had lots of high-level clearances. And he said, you know, we have a problem. And they plopped a big report down on the desk about like that and said, look, the Russians have been spending millions of dollars at their best institutes
trying to use ESP for espionage purposes. And we don't know how to evaluate it. I mean, no scientist in America even believes there is such a thing. And yet you did this experiment, and it looked like this guy could actually get inside this device and describe it and affect it. And here you're at SRI. We have lots of black projects here anyway. So We'd like to check him out.
Can you bring him back and let us come and do some experiments with him? And by the way, we're hoping that we'll find this is just all BS and we don't have to think about it and that'll be the end of that. So anyway, brought him back. They spent a day hiding things in the boxes and envelopes and he would describe what was inside. And they were totally blown away.
So they said, OK, we would like to give you a little project here, I don't know, 50 or 60K and see what else he can do. So anyway, that's how I got started on doing, quote, weird stuff. And so as many would know, that project ended up being very productive and it went over. more than 20 years and so on, highly classified level.
Well, maybe we'll get to that separately because I think the UAP stuff is kind of more interesting to start with. But anyway, that's how I got started in weird physics, you might call it. And then sort of like in Ghostbusters, well, if you've got some difficult problem, who are you going to call? I'll put off.
Able to affect the oscillations.
He said that for some reason, starting when he was a little kid, he would try to focus on some news item or whatever and he'd suddenly get some kind of picture in his mind about what was going on and later he would check it out and it turned out to be false. Correct. So he just said, you know, I just... So he stumbled upon remote viewing.
It is very different. And as we might discuss later, I've got some ideas about, you know, what some of the quantum mechanisms might be involved in that. But anyway, as far as the CIA was concerned, they were most interested in this ability to see through shielding.
And they said, does that mean if we have all kinds of classified documents and a superconducting safe, the Russians might be able to, you know, reach in and see them? And so that's what they were most worried about. And so anyway... Did you find that to be true?
That started a whole program when we found out that it was true, that we started out doing what you would think, just hiding things in the next room and can you describe them and stuff like that. But then he got bored. He said, well, if you want to know what's in the next room, go look. If you want to know what's in the envelope or the box, open it up. So he said, well, what do you have in mind?
He said, well, just send somebody out into the San Francisco Bay Area and I'll describe where they are. And so that's how what we call remote viewing program got started. We started doing experiments, which each – I got to say, I resisted this stuff every inch along the way because as a physicist, I had no idea how this could possibly be. But nonetheless, we began working with him.
Our lab director, who's always concerned about was this some kind of hoax between the subjects and the experimenters – He'd make up a long list and store them in his safe, and we'd go get an envelope out of the safe, leave SRI, drive to wherever the envelope said, and he would give a description. That's how that whole program got started.
It was very challenging, I got to say, because as a physicist and as a quantum physicist where I've written equations for all kinds of interactions, I had no clue how anything like this could possibly be. And I'll be honest, I still don't really have a clue about exactly what's going on other than consciousness seems to be expandable out into the environment in a way that we don't usually –
consider it could possibly be the case. There are people who get into meditation and all that kind of stuff but none of that was in my background so I just found this a challenge and it was only that the CIA was paying us to look into this that I kept going the next step resisting every inch along the way. To give you an example,
Along the way, there was a little bit of PR in the newsprint, newspapers about our experiments. So we began getting people calling in and saying, well, I have some of that ability too and whatever. And so one of the people that came along that way was Pat Price. He was – ex-police commissioner Burbank.
And he said, you know, when we were solving crimes, I would get an image of where the culprit might be hiding, and it would turn out to be correct. So maybe I have some of this ability. Well, I had no reason to necessarily believe that, but it turned out that right at that moment,
We were being challenged by the CIA to prove this wasn't just some kind of a hoax between the experimenters and the subjects. And so they came up with coordinates because, as it turns out, when we sent people out to a site and Ingo or somebody else had to describe it, they would describe not only the site –
as being observed by the outbound person, but also what was inside the building and what was on top of the building. So we suddenly realized, okay, that person is just a beacon. It's not that he's sending something back telepathically.
So once we realized that, Ingo Swann in his never ending challenge said, well, just give me coordinates, you know, latitude and longitude in degrees, minutes and seconds. And I'll look wherever that is and tell you what I find. So, in fact, okay, I found that hard to believe also. But we did a lot of experiments and started targeting on things. Anyway, Pat Price shows up.
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