Hal Puthoff

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The Joe Rogan Experience · #2314 - Hal Puthoff · 1 May 2025 podcast

We do some local experiments, and he's doing very well as well. And so, again, our CIA contract monitors were worried that there's some kind of trickery and so that. So they came up with coordinates of what turns out to be right next to Sugar Grove facility, which is a highly classified NSA facility picking up Soviet satellite transmissions. So I just – I had no idea what it was.

I mean we always kept ourselves blind to what the target was so no one could say we just gave them the data. So Pat Price decided to follow our instructions and go to those coordinates and say what he says. And so he describes this place. But as part of that, what he does is he says that he merged his mind, whatever you want to say, into a safe and a whole bunch of words popped up into his mind.

So he gave this whole list of words. Okay, fine. So he wrote them all down, sent them off. Pretty soon the entire law enforcement apparatus of the country landed on us and said, how did you get this information? This is highly classified project titles. Do you have a source inside? No, we were just doing this experiment. That's what he got.

And so eventually, 20 years later, you can find the paper that was published by the CIA about what a deal this was. And so anyway, at that time, we were at a point we were about ready to get the next year's contract. And we had a deputy director, John McMahon, said, OK, well, let's not waste it on our sides, for God's sake. Do a Soviet side. And so they gave us coordinates of a Soviet site.

It turned out to be an R&D facility at Semipalatinsk in the Soviet Union. And so we targeted Price on that. He turned out to be a really good remote viewer along with Ingo Swann. And he described this giant crane that rolled over the top of a building. And I mean, it sounded like science fiction. I've got some examples here of the drawings of that.

And so it turned out that from satellite imagery, what he drew was correct. And so that finally started, okay, this stuff is real. It can be used. Let's go to work with it. So that's what started the whole, you might say, espionage-oriented SRI program on remote viewing. It went through. I don't know, like 23 years or so.

There are really basically two levels of response. For example, some of the early work when we went to brief, we had 10 or 12 people and we're talking about the work. Pretty soon a guy in the back of the room jumps up and he says, I know what this is. This is some kind of PSYOP test of our gullibility. And I want you to know whoever's putting this out, I'm not buying it.

And he stormed out of the room. So that was one response. But there's a second response we got, which turned out to be interesting. At a certain point after we had done a number of years of successful work in doing the remote viewing, we had to keep briefing higher and higher, as you can imagine.

I hated briefing higher because if you brief a high-level guy and he says, oh, come on, this is nonsense, this is BS, that's the end of your programs. So I got it up to a point where, for example, I briefed Bill Casey, who was director of CIA under Reagan, and we had 45 minutes with him. And so I went through stuff like I've been describing for 45 minutes.

He got so entranced with it that he dismissed the rest of his afternoon calendar, and we spent five hours briefing him on that. So there was this funny thing where a certain level of people would just, ugh, this can't be. And then really high-level people seemed to be more open to it.

So actually we came up with a hypothesis and that is, okay, people who make it to the top of the food chain might be people who at some level inside themselves are, you know, they're always making decisions based on insufficient information and they end up making the right decision. That's how they got to where they are. So maybe this is some aspect that's at least at the unconscious level that

happening all the time. Well, that finally got put to a test because there were some parapsychologists who did some experiments with a meeting of CEOs of, I think 67 CEOs of major corporations, and had them try to guess the numbers that were going to be generated on the computer the next day. And so they did that. And it turned out that those who scored quite positively, significantly so,

When we interviewed them, it turned out they were the people who had the businesses that were really doing well. And the people who scored poorly had businesses that were kind of failing. So these investigators would ask them, well, are you using ESP or something? Do you have some glint of the future? He said, no, no, no, no, I don't believe any of that nonsense. But

I realize that when I trust my gut instinct, I'm usually right. So anyway, that sort of leads to the idea that this is a broadly available phenomenon.

I think your second interpretation is the correct one. Because probably... When you're out in the jungle and there's a tiger coming down the trail that you don't know about quite, it would be a thing that could really help you exist and survive.

But once we get into language and technology and so on, that sort of – nonetheless, we found – I'll tell you what was the most mind-boggling thing in the whole program was the following. We had a few people who did really well. So, of course, CIA wanted to know, well, we'd like to find people in CIA who could do this. So give us a full medical roundup of these people.

So we get a full medical including seven-layer brain scans. And they came back and said, well, these are just normal people. So, well, maybe it's psychological or neurological or whatever. So they did all those experiments. And they said, these are just normal people. So we wondered, well, does that mean that normal people could do this even if they didn't know about it?

So about that time, we said, okay, well, let's just bring in some people from SRI labs who never thought about ESP, who never thought about any of this stuff. So I remember we had a woman, Hella Hammond, and we asked her to come volunteer for an experiment. She said, what kind of experiment? I said, well, it's sort of like an ESP experiment. She said, give me a break.

I don't believe in that stuff. I said, okay, but do it anyway. And so one of the first experiments we did with her – and we have a wonderful diagram of what she did – We sent somebody out by our usual random protocol to an overpass over a freeway that's all fenced in with a very interesting structure.

And she made a drawing of all of that and said, you know, there's this kind of trough up in the air, but it's got holes in it so it couldn't carry water. There's something going by really fast. I mean, she really nailed the place.

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