Hal Puthoff
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first heard May 2025
last heard May 2025
Hal Puthoff’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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And so we got the idea, and that was the biggest discovery in this whole thing, was that apparently, as with, say, athletic ability or musical ability, there's a bell curve. And you got superstars at one end, you got duds at the other, but to some degree, anybody could do it. So that had a lot of outcome later on in the program when finally...
To give an example of a real-world result, a Soviet plane went down somewhere in Africa. That's all we knew. Somewhere in Africa, a plane went down. So Stansfield Turner, who was Carter's CIA director, knew about our remote viewing program. And so he said, well, you've got these, quote, remote viewers are supposed to be so good. Why don't they find the plane for you?
So, in fact, we had a remote viewer at our lab, and at that time we were working with Wright-Patterson Air Force Base Foreign Technology Division. They had a remote viewer. So we targeted these two remote viewers. All they knew was the plane went down somewhere in Africa, hundreds of thousands of square miles.
And to make a long story short, they described how it looked and put an X on the map that was three miles from where the plane landed. We were told that would never be revealed to the public. But it turned out that after Carter got out of office, he was giving a speech in Georgia someplace. And somebody said, well, anything happen while you're present that was really strange? He said,
And, oh, yeah, the Soviet plane went down in Africa. It was full of electronics. And we wanted to get it. And nobody knew where it was. And satellites couldn't find it because of all the vegetation. But we had some remote viewers, so-called. And they pinpointed where it was. And we went in and got it before the Russians could find it.
So, I mean, the real-world consequences came out of this stuff.
That was a breach of security, but a president can— They're allowed to do that? They're allowed to do that.
So, by then- TU-22 bomber, I think it was.
Well, we pretty much handle the skeptical problem. And let me give you an example. I mean, as we're churning out these results, as you can imagine, anybody who didn't have direct knowledge of this would be skeptical, and rightly so, by the way. I mean, I was skeptical every inch along the way as we plowed our way into this stuff. So one day, a guy shows up from CIA and says, OK,
I'm here to find out what the fraud is. I'm sure this is absolute nonsense. So he said, okay, fine. So show me one of your experiments. So we put him in the lab with an interviewer and a remote viewer. And in this case, I'm sent out someplace for 30 minutes. And it turns out that the remote viewer described it really well. And he said, well... You probably told them where you're going to go.
Let's do another experiment and I'm going to go and we'll go in my car because you might have had a transmitter in your car transmitting where you're going. So I'm going to pick the site. So we do another experiment, get a great result. So finally he says, well, I got to figure out what's wrong with this. So my colleague, Russell Targ, and I sat down.
This guy's a hard case, but we got the bell curve. Who knows? Maybe somewhere in the middle of the bell curve. So he comes in the next day, and we say, okay, today you're going to be the remote viewer. And he said, give me a break. I don't believe in this BS. He said much more strongly than that, actually. And I said, no, no, okay, well, just try it.
You'll see we're not stressing him out and whatever, whatever, whatever. And he says, okay. And... When you go to your place, I want you to take pictures and do a recording. And when you come back, show me your stuff before I show you mine. Okay, fine. Well, it turned out we went to a playground with a merry-go-round.
Meanwhile, back in the lab, he's drawing a picture of a playground with a merry-go-round. And he sees the results and he says, okay. You've convinced me. So it was that kind of thing that would push him over. Yeah, there's an example. Now, he misinterpreted what it was. He thought maybe it was a cupola or whatever. But anyway, that's his drawing on the right and that's where we were on the left.
And so he said, so he went back to CIA and said, okay, this stuff really works. And he became one of their star remote viewers over the years.
Yep. Sure did.
There is a method and it's different from what you might think. You might think you would say to somebody, okay, we've got somebody to decide, kind of imagine where they are and see what it looks like and tell us what you find and all that kind of stuff. They're usually wrong when they do that because their imagination comes into play and they make up something or whatever.
But what we found out in the research, it took years and a lot of trials, was that you get a visceral response to a site. It's not that you necessarily get an image. So, in fact, we told them, you know, if you get an image, just put it down the right-hand side of the paper because it's probably wrong. Instead, just kind of put down your feelings as you get into the site.
If it's like water, they might do waves or if it's a mountain peak, they might, as Jacques described in one of your previous broadcasts, a mountain peak and they just feel like drawing something like that. Bit by bit, the process is very much a visceral feeling process.
And so the training procedure has them sitting with pads of paper and just making sketches and drawings and not trying to interpret what it is. And also being very not in a rush about it.
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