Hannah Murray

And that feels...

Better to me to use that term because it allows for grey areas, I suppose.

And I still can see why I was so seduced by it, I suppose.

There was a time when I really judged myself for...

falling for it, for want of a better word.

And now I'm like, no, you thought it was wonderful.

It felt wonderful.

Of course, you were like all in.

It felt like everything I'd ever wanted was suddenly being handed to me.

Yeah.

It makes complete sense.

I'm glad it makes sense.

That was the big thing I wanted this book to be able to do was make sense of it, both for myself and then also for people that read it, that people could see why I took the steps that I did.

And as you said earlier, I think that it is incremental, that each decision along the way doesn't seem that major and definitely doesn't seem like it's going to take you where I ended up.

Yes, a very intense fixation.

There's a kind of incremental thing.

And then there were certain moments where it was like a huge leap.

in my devotion and belief and meeting him, which happened when, so I took this two day course, then about five or six months later, I took a week long course.

And on the penultimate day of that course, I met Steve.

He came to give a talk to the students.