Hannah Rosen

Yes.

This part is interesting because it's entirely in text.

You know, there's nothing to look at.

It's just text on the screen and it's a lot of text.

You know, it's like reading a sort of AI summary of my accomplishments.

But the accomplishments are very much in line with past First Ladies.

So often when we talk about first ladies, they are a marker for gender and feminism in the U.S.

at that moment, like what we take away from it.

Thinking in those terms, since you're somebody who does think in those terms, what do you take away from this movie?

Is it, you know, the act of ultimate control by a first lady over her own image?

Is it retrograde?

Like how do you read it?

Well, Sophie, thank you so much for talking through this movie, both as an actual movie and as an object in the culture and what it might mean.

I appreciate it.

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