Hannah Rosen

Right. Right. Like the very obvious example is higher gas prices, less driving, like what they do in Europe, you know. Can you see any scenario where this all unfolds in the way Trump imagines, which is short-term pain for long-term gain? No. No scenario in which like the American manufacturer, like more things are manufactured in the U.S.

Right. Right. Like the very obvious example is higher gas prices, less driving, like what they do in Europe, you know. Can you see any scenario where this all unfolds in the way Trump imagines, which is short-term pain for long-term gain? No. No scenario in which like the American manufacturer, like more things are manufactured in the U.S.

You know, people figure out where the, you know, how to make an American doll factory. Like none of that seems realistic to you.

You know, people figure out where the, you know, how to make an American doll factory. Like none of that seems realistic to you.

You know, people figure out where the, you know, how to make an American doll factory. Like none of that seems realistic to you.

Who do you think is going to be hurt the most in the next year or two?

Who do you think is going to be hurt the most in the next year or two?

Who do you think is going to be hurt the most in the next year or two?

Well, Martha, I really don't relish ending an interview on no silver lining and no wins for anyone, but I think that's just the reality. So thank you for delivering us this medicine. I appreciate it.

Well, Martha, I really don't relish ending an interview on no silver lining and no wins for anyone, but I think that's just the reality. So thank you for delivering us this medicine. I appreciate it.

Well, Martha, I really don't relish ending an interview on no silver lining and no wins for anyone, but I think that's just the reality. So thank you for delivering us this medicine. I appreciate it.

This episode of Radio Atlantic was produced by Kevin Townsend and Janae West. It was edited by Claudina Bade. We had engineering support from Rob Smerciak, fact-checking by Sarah Kurlewski. Claudina Bade is the executive producer of Atlantic Audio. Andrea Valdez is our managing editor.

This episode of Radio Atlantic was produced by Kevin Townsend and Janae West. It was edited by Claudina Bade. We had engineering support from Rob Smerciak, fact-checking by Sarah Kurlewski. Claudina Bade is the executive producer of Atlantic Audio. Andrea Valdez is our managing editor.

This episode of Radio Atlantic was produced by Kevin Townsend and Janae West. It was edited by Claudina Bade. We had engineering support from Rob Smerciak, fact-checking by Sarah Kurlewski. Claudina Bade is the executive producer of Atlantic Audio. Andrea Valdez is our managing editor.

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