Harry Mackay

Morning, Tom.

Look, I just found it very interesting how you both think that the Collard case and the Butters case is different, vastly different, when you've got, in both cases, you've got two against one.

Yep.

In one case, they believed the two against the one, and he copped his fair whack.

He got the full whack of the nine weeks.

In the other case, they believed the one over the two, and he got a slap on the fingers.

Now, if he's got a firm guilty, he's got to get given his fair whack,

And I'm probably more of an umpire basher than like everybody else that watches football.

But all we've been concerned about is Nick Butters.

What about Foote?

His name's been dragged around now too.

So, you know, where's the concern for him?

Good morning, Tom.

Good to speak with you.

You too.

First of all, AFL is an extremely powerful entity and the difference it makes in so many areas of people's lives, in this country amongst others, is really empowering.

So I think AFL as a whole, with the work they do in so many areas, is really critical for how a lot of us live our lives.

And second point, most importantly, Tom, I want to talk about Lance.

I'm really strong about this.

I'm a gay, masculine male.