Heather Stewart

And not only by Vote Leave, who talked about an Australian-style points migration system, which I'm not even sure anyone knew what that was, but Australians, it sounded good, right?

I mean, we've just taken their social media ban, so, you know.

Right, exactly, exactly.

Sounded good.

And leave.eu, which, of course, was the more extreme, Nigel Farage's version of the Brexit campaign, which was not attached to Vote Leave, which was the formal campaign.

Farage had those grim kind of breaking point posters, which had these sort of queues of refugees and this idea that people were flooding in and so on.

That was what the... Absolutely.

And that was the picture on the posters, essentially.

But interestingly, when Boris Johnson got his hands on migration policy, when we did actually leave, we actually had quite a liberal migration policy.

We had a big increase of people.

Now, the nature of those people switched.

So the big nationalities coming in became...

Nigerians, Indians, Filipinos, absolutely, instead of Poles and Romanians and Czechs.

But the numbers were very, very big.

And of course, now we have this backlash against that, partly because I think people were imagining migration was going to fall quite quickly.

Boris Johnson's government decided, actually, that would be really damaging for the economy if we let migration fall really quickly.

So we better let companies bring people in.

And indeed, we better bring people in to fill up the big gaps in the social care and the health system.

So it was a bit odd because it didn't have the impact that it was expected to on migration.

But then that in turn has had a massive impact on our politics, I think you can argue.