Heather (Veteran Police Officer)

Because of your reputation, the way you held yourself.

So fear and intimidation are the basis of some of the leadership and the culture that is within the mafia.

That's my claim.

Sounds like you agree with me.

so much.

I think the program set up to try and force people to disagree and to have that aspect of

not agreeing so much that maybe some people won't back down from their claim.

And I just love the fact that he was so genuine in understanding, well, what she's trying to say does have some validity or sorry, validity, but that I still believe that it wasn't a primary factor for me.

And if you keep playing that clip, if I remember, there was a portion where he was like, it came down to something about love.

And, you know, I don't remember the exact exchange, but he said people don't hurt people they love.

And I was like, I see people hurt people they love all the time.

And now when I look back or when I think back about that exchange, you know, I thought about like the perfect answer to come after him.

or not come after him, but come to him with, come after what he said.

And it would have been like, part of your family is here.

Do you think that they weren't hurt because of the things that you did within the mafia and you going away?

Do you think they weren't hurt by the fact that you were locked up for the crimes that you committed, regardless of you loving them?

So it was just, I thought it was such a great exchange.

I think he is so articulate and he is so open-minded.

And the fact that he just put himself out there to sit down and have that conversation, because I do know the consequences that can come

when you try to exit that kind of life.