Helen Lewis

And if we could just break that chain, those conversations would be a lot healthier.

And I think liberals would be a lot happier in participating in them, right?

If it can be, actually, maybe we got some bits of the COVID response wrong, schools should have opened earlier in California.

That's a conversation people are going to be much happier to have if it's not done, some childless cow did this to you, right?

Because at that point, I'm like, I'm out.

I'm not interested in what else you have to say at that point.

Sorry, if you can't keep a civil tug in your head, then we won't have this argument.

There's a

That's the interesting thing about it, is that it's all done for other men.

And you used to find people on the men's rights internet would talk about women's intrasocial, intersexual competition, and the fact that they were all kind of doing all these sort of things for each other.

And I think, you know, I just think about that a lot, is that a lot of it is done to impress other men, at the same time as having this intense anxiety about homosexuality.

But it also has this deeper, and that quote you bring out has this deeper eugenic

quality to it, right?

If you go back and read Buck versus Bell, the famous eugenic judgment by the Supreme Court, you know, this idea of the unfit, you know, the morons, the imbeciles, and then the physically handicapped and the degenerate, you know, that kind of Nazi language.

There is the idea that there are life's winners who are physically perfect and mentally acute.

And then there are life's losers who are, you can even read in their features that they are subhuman.

That's got such a long, dark history.

Even in America, on the left as well as the right, in California there were thousands of people sterilized for mental and physical disabilities in the 20th century.

So these are ideas that were in circulation, and they could be again.

We like to think that all these things just got ruled out completely after the Second World War.