Helen Toner

Yeah, they probably, maybe they introduced a new model, maybe someone turned off memory on your account potentially, or you were logging in through a new account.

Not that free subscriptions are safe, but it might just reset the context that it was looking back at.

Yeah.

I think it's really admirable that you were able to get yourself out of it.

And it makes me, it gives me hope as well about how this conversation can help that people who have seen this, people who have talked to their friends about it, might have more of that seed of doubt and that ability to try and find some way of checking.

But it's almost like if you're getting scammed on the phone,

You can't ask the scammer to check if it's real, right?

If you say, prove to me this is, you know, you are the FBI.

Prove to me that that's not going to work.

You have to put down the phone and go check a different way.

Talk to a friend.

Talk to a different chatbot.

It's better than nothing.

I mean, I think this is a really important conversation and it goes beyond kids and chatbots.

I mean, the companies building this stuff, they didn't want this to happen.

They didn't want you to lose your son, but they feel so much pressure to move fast that they just go ahead anyway.

And I think what I would want to leave people with is that we in this room, everyone watching, we have power as well.

We can create different pressure and different incentives for the companies.

We can talk to the companies directly, to our elected representatives,

to people around us, our friends and families.