Hendrik “Henk” Alma

It can go straight through the roof, actually.

It's really big.

And I always tell that to people because people have no idea actually, even sometimes in our office, like the cost and the risk involved actually.

And I mentioned that and sometimes people

laugh a bit about it, which I don't always appreciate.

I say, guys, on certain projects, logistics is a project within a project, actually.

Yeah, then it becomes interesting because I always tell my colleagues, I don't have a factory with steady pricing.

I can call you and say, okay, I've got so many freight terms and packing list.

I need a price.

And next year you will give me a budget price.

You will not give me a fixed price.

I can forget that.

Of course.

Because if there's a wall breaking out, you will say, sorry, Henk, but certain things changed, which will lead to increases.

So I don't have factories.

I only have, I have to work with floating things and driving things and cranes.

Well, I'm not looking at the competition because that's not really my role, of course.

But yeah, from a logistics side, we are looking at the long run.

And it's not only vessels, but it's definitely also, let's give an example,

We have a port of export.