Henrietta Levin
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first heard May 2026
last heard 6 Aug
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Sam, thanks so much for coming on the show.
We're thrilled you could make it to start hoping that you can tell us a bit about yourself.
How did you develop your expertise on Chinese foreign policy?
Well, we're very glad that you ended up where you are.
And to dive into the recent work that you've published in Foreign Affairs, you you've argued that as China's power and global ambitions have expanded, it has generally tried to avoid the global responsibilities and risks that rising superpowers have assumed in the past.
And so China may be working to establish a new world order more.
favorable to its own interests, but that doesn't necessarily mean it has any interest in bearing the costs that have traditionally come along with global leadership and projects of order building.
And so before we get into how that may or may not be changing, how do you see the status quo, or maybe you would argue the status quo ante?
I wanna briefly go back to some of your first comments on what the post-war order really is, because I think you've articulated both a Chinese and a you could say a US perspective on this.
And the distinction is interesting because it seems and and China's increasingly articulating this explicitly, that they see the post-World War order as the the foundations on which the Allies divided up.
The world after the war is a much more kind of parochial perspective.
It's who got what, what were the victors' spoils and which of those accrue to China or should accrue to China.
And then there's how the US has traditionally defined that order, which is more focused on rules and institutions and Bretton Woods and more global concepts as opposed to the the
geographic vision that China puts forward of what the post-war order was.
Do do you see that differently or do do you see that distinction in how the two sides would conceptualize what the order even was?
Somehow hasn't always been the case.
So to get back to the China side of this then, now in the Xi Jinping era, we see Beijing taking a much more assertive role in how they want to establish China's leadership on the global stage, even though the way in which they are going about that in many ways looks very, very different from how the United States or other great powers over time have pursued global stage.
Of power projection.
But then in some ways, China actually seems to be attempting, though not always succeeding, to mimic a more American-inflected versions of power projection, even prior to this current moment.
And one that stands out to me is that we, you know, we've seen lots of public reporting about.
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