Henrietta Levin

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Pekingology · Can China Control North Korea? · 28 May 2026 podcast

We'll get more into the Russia piece, but first because you bring up this question of leverage and whether China does or does not have usable leverage over North Korea. matched

How would you think about what leverage Beijing actually has, where the US or others might overinterpret their influence? matched

And then under what circumstances is China willing to actually use the leverage it does have? matched

Because we have seen moments where China, you know, cracks down on border trade. matched

I mean, of course, there was a moment that is seemingly long in the past where they actively supported sanctions at the UN. matched

So recognizing that's not where we are now, like there does seem to be triggers that genuinely open Beijing's kind of use of leverage. matched

So what's the leverage and when will they actually use it? matched

It seems like if China is calibrating its leverage, primarily around an idea of stability, but more or less over time around pursuing a goal denuclearization as well. matched

How do you see China's actual policy on denuclearization right now? matched

I mean, you mentioned already that they have stopped bringing up the term in public, which itself I think is a significant departure, but doesn't necessarily reflect what their internal preferences might be. matched

I think there's a conventional wisdom that matched

China might not care about advances in the North Korean Missile Program. matched

They might see that as a US problem, but do they actually want to see a new nuclear test? matched

Probably not. matched

So what is Chinese policy on denuclearization of the Korean peninsula? matched

Maybe that's a good transition into the Russia piece because it's where we see, I think, a genuine divergence between how China and Russia look at North Korea. matched

Where China really does care about stability at least. matched

They might not define that in the same way the US would, but they have like a deeply held substantive set of goals for the peninsula. matched

Whereas Russia seems to be more focused on whatever they need to do to get support for the war in Ukraine, and North Korea is willing to provide kinds of support that others aren't, and maybe getting some fringe benefits of matched

The appearance of international standing and influence on the margin, but I don't see the Russians kind of taking a considered approach to a particular outcome or balance they want to see on the Korean peninsula in the way that China would, which is interesting because, you know, over the past few years, we've obviously seen China and Russia double down on their partnership in a pretty profound way. matched

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