Hester Grainger

But you're right, object permanence, out of sight, out of mind can be really difficult.

So you even can forget cleaning products, you can forget stuff.

But there was a phone charger on the stairs and I sort of walked past it and I kept thinking, and then yesterday, I came about coming to London today and I was like, I need a phone charger.

Sure, there's one on the stairs.

And I picked it up and I was like, that's why I left it there.

I knew it was going to come in handy.

But actually, I think it's having the photos,

being able to identify it, I think also removing that shame.

So actually going, do you know what?

My house is in absolute state at the moment.

My kitchen is awful.

To a friend or whatever, do you want to come and like, you know, be online with me whilst we do this together and get through it?

I always say like safety in numbers.

So...

I was just going to say really quickly before we get on to why.

When I was little, obviously I didn't know I had ADHD.

I wasn't diagnosed until I was 43.

And I remember I'd get like new school shoes or something.

And I used to put them at the end of my bed on the floor.

And I realized probably a year or so later that was because of object permanence.