Hester Grainger

That's how you can tell you're getting old, isn't it?

Oh, good cardboard box.

Maybe I'll need that one day.

actually it's just about thinking with the vitamins just bin them just go through the cupboards if something's out of date bin it because you're not going to use it anyway but by holding on to it every time you open that cupboard you've got that shame you see them and it's a reminder and actually just by getting rid of it whatever it is or out of date food in the cupboards or stuff in the fridge like you've already spent that money it's already gone you holding on to the item because you feel bad about getting rid of it isn't going to change anything

No.

No.

And I completely understand.

I think that's a very, you know, that can be a real neurodivergent trait is we take objects that have no soul or spirit or energy and...

put sort of emotions onto them we were buying um teddies a couple of months ago like a jelly cat and when the guy put it in the carrier bag i was like please can you make sure it can breathe he was just like yeah no that's fine like valid concern of course because it's a bear and you put him in a plastic bag and that's just dangerous you know

But I think there is that thing of, it's the same when like the kids were little and you'd take their teddies away and like you'd be in the, you know, you'd go away for a couple of nights and then we'd always like make sure that the bags weren't fully zipped up so that the animals could breathe.

And, you know, or I think it can be that you attach certain emotions or memories as well.

So,

With the vitamins, it might be that that was part of you when you were going to the gym loads or wanted to be really healthy.

So actually, you put this attachment that if I bin them, that means I'm no longer going to be healthy or no longer going to go to the gym.

And actually, that's not the case at all.

And I bet if anyone's listening to this and they looked in their fridge or their fruit bowl, all of the fruit, all of the vegetables, the chances are there's a soggy cucumber in there somewhere or there's a...

sad looking pepper or whatever just by keeping them because you're like oh god that's a waste it's not gonna a bring i was gonna say the cucumber back to life but you know it's not gonna you just bin it and get rid of it and move on and i know now being diagnosed later in life i'm a lot better at that like i was going through the fridge the other day and a few bits of food had gone out and i felt this real guilt because it's food waste and i don't like that at all and then there's almost that frustration

of actually well i've spent money on this and we forgot to eat it in time because i looked at the date and i thought it was a different date and you know just typical stuff and i just binned it and thought i shouldn't feel shame and if you spoke to a neurotypical person they wouldn't think anything of it they'd just bin it and be move on whereas we're like oh god should have eaten those bananas i'll save them for banana bread you're not going to so just get rid of it the same with the vitamins

Yeah, yeah.

And I think that whole...