Holly Wainwright

You can exit.

And then anywhere, go anywhere where the crying closet needs to be.

Throw the people out of the crying closet.

Go in there, shut the door, lean against the door to sob because then if people come to see if you're all right, that's the worst thing.

Because you know how if you're crying and people go, are you all right, give you a hug, you just cry more?

And then it should just be agreed upon that no one references it ever.

Like we do not talk about it.

It's done.

I agree.

I'm just, I'm crying before I even know that I'm crying.

Do you think if you cry in front of somebody, do you expect them to, like, what do you expect them to do?

Literally ignore it.

The other tip I got that is really stupid is if you tilt your head back.

The tears can't actually fall.

If you tilt your head back, then you can just be like, yep, mm-hmm, uh, mm-hmm.

As a boss, if you make somebody cry, you feel awful because you never mean to make someone cry.

But if you've got to impart bad news, like, you know, you did do this thing wrong or, you know, or more serious news than that, you know, you're letting them go, whatever, which have done all of those things.

If they start crying, then it's immediately you made me cry and that's a really difficult position to be in.

Yeah, yeah.

And then the only thing I've ever learned to do is to –