Holly Wainwright

You kind of also say, I want to commit to living a creative life because that's what Katie loved and wanted to do.

And there's a foundation in her name now that her parents have started to help support women, young women who are going through theatre school or pursuing creative life.

Writing, achieving this feat of writing a beautiful memoir is exactly doing that, right?

It is embodying what you kind of promised yourself and Katie then.

got to regather on this very important, not important at all.

All right.

So the no's led you to some yeses.

Okay.

This, where we're at now, you know, the book, the book is out.

You have, your life has, as you said, you know, moved on.

You've had a baby.

I don't know, moved on sounds terrible.

You know what I mean.

Move forward.

Move forward.

You've had a baby.

Yeah.

Your life looks pretty different than it did.

How does Katie exist for you now?

Was your mum, are you anywhere near where your mum said you might be one day or do you still feel like that's a long way off of when you think about her, which I'm sure you do all the time and you look at Nora, I'm sure, and think I wish you'd met and all those things.