Hugh van Kylenburg

We actually can be happy because they won't.

Absolutely.

I was, like, worried about being ugly, worried about not being good-looking from really young, basically.

And, like, any time that someone would insult me, I'd remember it.

Like, from the age of probably five.

Yeah.

Yeah, like I remember having crushes on girls when I was in like probably kindergarten or, you know, grade one or prep or – but never having the bravery to ask them out because what if they said no?

And then I would prove to myself that I wasn't lovable, you know.

So, yeah, so it was a –

It was a morbid self-love.

It was a narcissism, I believe is the word, which I think narcissism means morbid self-love, does it?

I'm not sure.

Yeah, so it was from, yeah.

So I'd always want to be the hero.

I wanted to be the guy that got the girls.

I wanted to be the guy who was the best at the footy or the best at tennis or the best at everything.

I wanted to be...

I had lofty goals for myself, but I was- That you were not, that you were not fulfilling.

Yeah.

But I was probably the king of self-pity to be honest.