Hugh van Kylenburg

So I'm feeling sorry for myself because I wasn't fulfilling these goals that I'd made for myself.

So yeah.

So that was, um, yeah, part of my childhood, big part of my childhood, probably the biggest part.

Well, it sort of is though because it's like, you know, as I say to my son if he's crying on the way home from a basketball game, I said, what are you crying about?

He said, I don't know.

I said, are you crying because you feel sorry for yourself?

He goes, no, I'm not.

I said, yes, you are because you didn't get much time on court and you didn't make any points.

That's why you're crying.

And he said, no, I'm not.

I know what it's like because I was that kid.

I remember not making a footy team in the under 15s at school and then going to the toilets at school and just crying for ages.

I remember a teacher who I was in love with, Miss Dalton, and she gave Pepe Brooks a better mark than me.

It was probably year nine and I just started crying in class.

She's like, what's wrong with you?

I said, I feel sick.

I didn't feel sick.

I was in love with her.

And I just couldn't – it was like that was – It was rejection.

I felt like she'd rejected me.