Ilan Goldenberg

I just think his views are misinformed.

And in many ways, I just think we need to be careful to not go in that direction because if you want to ultimately in the United States build a political coalition that's actually going to win in 26 and more importantly in 28,

I don't think that most people are where he is.

I think most people are kind of in this position.

It's not the middle ground of Democrats versus Republicans.

I'd argue it's the middle ground of where the Democratic Party is, which is just kind of like, yeah, there's all kinds of horrible stuff happening there, and we should do something about that instead of just letting them use our weapons.

But also, I don't think these people are the devil necessarily, right?

And so that's what I'm arguing for.

Yeah.

No, I look, I can't disagree with a lot of that in terms of the fact that,

I mean, Bibi Netanyahu is an asshole, and I've also been living with him for 15 years, right?

I mean, my first government job was working on Iran in the Pentagon in 2009, just literally starting about a month or two after he came into office.

And he's been the problem since then for years and years.

And so we're not in a different place on that at all.

And I think he's the one who's done the most damage to this entire nature of the relationship.

But I agree, it is bigger.

The history is longer.

We can have those honest conversations.

I mean, it's one of the reasons now, like, I don't know if you've paid attention.

We've taken a fair amount of flack for it.