Ilan Goldenberg

You're going to have a different government.

This government in Israel is horrific in all the different ways.

But it's not just this government.

There's a lot of systemic and deeper things.

And that's exactly the conversation I want us to be having.

And I 100 percent, we were out there as an organization sharply critical about this

But I think we just need to be careful when we have that conversation to not, you know, and like not sway too far in the other direction to the point of, you know, essentially casting Israel as this, you know, okay, there is ethnic cleansing in Israel's history.

There's probably ethnic cleansing in cases of I'd say 50 or 100 of the countries that exist in the world today.

including some very recent as well.

And so what we just have to be careful to do is not turn Israel into, we need to normalize our relationship with Israel, right?

That's what I've actually, that's one of the things we've argued for a long time.

That means no more blank check.

Let's treat Israel like a normal country, right?

And let's have those hard conversations.

It also means let's not treat it as this uniquely evil or sinister thing, which I think is happening in some far extreme places.

So I think I agree with you.

The whole third way conversation here of like turning Hassan Piker into some kind of measuring stick for all this.

You know, I don't think that, you know.

I listened to the interview with John Favreau.

I don't think Hasan Piker is anti-Semitic.