Ilan Pappé

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The Majority Report with Sam Seder · 3697 - Is Israel Imploding Or Expanding?; Trump's Crippling SNAP Cuts w/ Ilan Pappé, Katie Bergh · 28 Jul 2026 podcast

For example, the idea was we may not be able to have the whole of historical Palestine, at least not all of it under direct Israeli rule.

Or we'll have to come to some sort of an agreement with some Palestinians.

We have to take into account

the position of the international community.

We'll have to find living together as a Jewish society, even if there are real tensions between secular and religious Jews.

If you want, it was a more pragmatic implementation of the vision, compared to

The messianic neo-Zionist vision that doesn't have the patience, is not interested in pragmatic implementation.

In fact, it regards pragmatism as a weakness, almost as deftism, and in some cases even as treason.

And therefore, it works under the assumption that there is a window of opportunity that has to be exhausted, a window of opportunity that was created by divine intervention, of course, not by human beings, but you have to exploit that gift that was given to you.

So the whole notion of how to implement

The idea that the land of Palestine is the land of Israel and it belongs only to the Jewish people has to be implemented in a revolutionary way, not an evolutionary way.

So it's far more extreme, it's far more violent, it's far more explicit in its discourse, as you yourself mentioned when you talked about Smotrich, and it's far more lethal for those who are at the receiving end of the Zionist project right now in 2026, mostly Palestinians, but also people in South Lebanon, in Syria, in Iran, and...

I think what is interesting to follow, there is a new group of victims, so to speak.

I'm not going to put them on the same pedestal as the Palestinian victims, but quite an important number of what you might call secular Zionists are seen by the neo-Zionists as enemies, in fact, in some cases, worse than the Palestinians, because you

The idea is that you can understand the Palestinian position because you have to fight them and destroy them, but you cannot understand the treason of the secular Jews, which is one of these indicators that I mention in my book for an impossibility to create a Jewish society

In the long term, I think this is leading to a serious implosion from within, but it's still a very slow process, and it will accelerate only a bit, not a bit, it will accelerate later.

So I said that the genocide in Gaza was acting like an epicenter in an earthquake, sort of exposing what is wrong with international law, what is wrong with international morality, the kind that was formulated after the Second World War without consultation with the colonized world.

And it comes to bite us.

I think the fact that it's a Western moral project rather than a universal one.

And it became clear because Israel is considered to be part of the Western project, part of the Western European project.

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