Ilana Golan

But you decide to do this.

Tell me a little bit about the beginning, because I feel like in companies, there's two really hard moments.

There's constantly hard moments, but the initial one is really, really hard because there's a lot of unknown.

And then once you have a team, there's another

really hard because now you're responsible for a lot of people, a lot of lives, a lot of families.

So at least for me, but take me there, Pat, what is it like for you, that journey?

I think what you said right now is so critical.

And I don't know if I thought about it in the way you just put it together.

I think sometimes we need to steal to some extent other people's confidence in us in order to shine.

And I think there's an element, first of all, that a jar can't read its own label.

And I think we're really, really hard on ourselves just in a general sense, but also sometimes loaning that confidence to continue is absolutely

So, so, so critical to some extent.

That's probably what we do in Leap for people.

But I don't know if I put it in those words until you said it.

That's a good point.

Okay, so you grow this business.

And again, initially you need to bring the clients and apparently you signed up to a lot because you also have kids now and a book.

I'm still struggling to write my first book.

Like you're amazing.

Okay, so you're doing all these things.