Israel Keyes

And I always thought that was a fascinating show, which is why I did it.

Cause it was long form.

People would talk kind of like what you're doing now.

And you would get to at least hear things that weren't just like a, a Twitter bite of 140 characters.

You get people to talk, you'd have a given take.

They could have different viewpoints and you would hear that.

That to me is more interesting than somebody just going on a polemic with two other people who are kind of their cheerleaders.

I was there and was trying to, mind you, I had a relationship with Nike.

I knew Michael and tried to kind of mediate a situation that I thought would turn out bad.

I mean, I've got a, we could do a whole hour on what happened there, but

Um, like I say, Michael was also a client.

I don't want to denigrate him in any way, shape or form.

Yeah.

I mean, you, yeah, you will do it and I'll sit and just listen to you.

He went pro per or pro se federal court in Orange County, got a mistrial based upon prosecutorial misconduct.

It's actually up in front of the Ninth Circuit now as to whether that's once in jeopardy, because normally if you get a mistrial and you request it as a defendant, you're

You don't get a once in jeopardy, meaning that you can't be tried again.

But there is a kind of a sliver of the law that says if you're goaded into asking for a mistrial by the prosecution, that can be the one instance where the prosecution can't try you again.

Closer to 20 years.

I mean, I will tell you, it was really... And I had always resisted being a contributor because I always felt...