Ivan Barabanov

I get it.

I mean, you definitely have a point.

And then again, I go back and forth with this all the time.

And the one that you brought in with the, even from breeding purposes, there's so many incredible dogs out there that we will never hear of unless they show up just

Okay, maybe they don't even pass the title, but you see the dog and you're like, ooh, who is this?

Right?

Yes.

Very good point.

Very, very, very good point as far as that goes.

I hope they can change it.

How do you feel about the protection today?

I know, I mean, I kind of follow, of course, we all kind of pay attention to each other on social media and stuff, but what do you think?

How did...

And did it even change after we took the stickheads off?

I see both points and

And you're correct with having, you know, a good helper can just use their presence and that mental pressure and really fuck with the dog's head and put the stress that we need to see if the dog can handle it.

But I also, you know, very often I would talk to helpers on the sideline after they just worked the dog.

on the trial and I would hear it, man, if I was just to touch him, I know it would go away, but I cannot do it.

But to go back to the problems in Europe, because I really believe these are problems.

Do you think that keep complying to the pressure