Ivan Burazin

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Latent Space: The AI Engineer Podcast · Giving Agents Computers — Ivan Burazin, Daytona · 21 May 2026 podcast

So, or cloud code was very interesting.

The reason why it was interesting is that a lot of, let's call them app, I don't know what to call them, app layer agent companies, essentially they are like, oh, I can create this new app, this new agent.

All I need, I just use cloud code and I throw it into a sandbox and then I have my interface to the human to that.

And so that enabled so many more companies to actually offer this and then they would pull on sandbox.

So that was interesting.

And to your point, like,

mcp versus the cli i mean the mcp is an interface against an api whereas the cli is like you can actually go do things like yeah this is the difference between integrations and actually running scripts or data or analysis against the thing so being able to use a cli very very well enables the agent to do more things and because that people will invoke a sandbox they'll run in the cli and but it'll be

to analysis on that data and then give you an actual result versus just, you know, pulling data from an APS source.

So the thing that people, which is the computer use stuff, which I think is probably the most interesting one is, and to your point, we've talked to so many people over the last year.

It's like, oh, like, why do you need a sandbox?

Why do you need this?

Why this?

And to your point, it's like, oh, I need a sandbox for this.

I need a sandbox for that.

And so you, oh, I need it for every single thing.

And so basically what I, and it sounds like a broken record, it's like you use a laptop every single day, right?

And you are, you end up one, it's just you.

But now imagine,

And by the way, the laptop, the computer PC market, the PC market is about equal to the cloud market.

So it's about 150, 180 billion a year, something like that.

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