Ivan Krastev

But this is a very interesting question because I do believe that there are people around him who still believe that the very important is to try to get Russia to decouple from China, to make a deal.

And their thinking is if there is not European Union and if there is no NATO, why Russia should not be America's best friend.

And all these people negotiate and they see this and that.

And don't forget, most of these people, they don't come from diplomacy and they don't come from security.

They come from trade.

And this is why for them it's very difficult to understand somebody like Putin, who is totally kind of immersed in history and pride and story and economic argument is not the most important.

And I don't believe this is the real issue.

The people around him, I don't believe that

I don't know, is Trump himself in this?

They believe that European Union is bad because it is big, that if you have 27 small countries, you're going to do much easier with them, that for America is going to be easier to do it.

By the way, not understanding that if this is going to happen, America should try to manage a space which is going to be so both economically security and politically

that it's really going to be an issue, particularly for this administration that does not want American money to be spent outside.

Europe is going to be a nightmare.

I do believe that somebody should try to show President Trump films about the disintegration of the Soviet Union.

and so on.

Disintegrations is not a funny game.

It's not a funny game.

But of course, there is also this other wing of the Republican Party, and I do believe this is why people like Macron and von der Leyen and of course Merz, they understand that when it comes to Greenland,

They are not facing America.

They are not even facing the Republican Party.