Ivan Krastev

And then suddenly, one by one, the nationalistic MPs starting to stand up again also, including the urban people.

Because this is the story which he got totally wrong.

Because he's not a classical nationalist.

He's not interested in history.

To be honest, he's not interested in future.

And this is why it's so difficult to have a contract with him.

If somebody does not believe that future matters, you cannot have a contract with him.

Because it's based on the fact that there is future.

And I'm not sure that Trump is interested in anything which is beyond his lifetime.

And this is why he created a difficult moment for his allies.

Yes, for sure.

East European countries are going to insist that we are not going to use the bazooka, that we are going to be more proportional.

This is for sure.

But you should have listened to the Polish prime minister.

Tusk went.

Very hard.

And listen, for Poland, which is the most pro-American part, for him, basically, America was defense from Russia.

The way he start talking about this, it means also that he knows that his public, so the majority of the Poles, on these issues are going to side with Europe and not with Trump.

Adam, you're right, but it's different about him.

Because normally, this is about legacy probably, but he cannot trust that when he's going to die, they're going to make all this naming after him.