Ivan Krastev

Is this a kind of individualism and so on?

I totally agree with you that they don't think in terms of democracy versus authoritarianism.

And secondly, Trump himself, in a certain way, he talks that America is great, but I don't believe he does not trust American model, neither as an economic model, nor as a political model.

He's all the time envying others.

He's envying the Gauss.

He's envying the Chinese.

Totally agree.

He's very important because for all this talk about Cold War, we believe that the most important thing that happened in 1989 was what happened in Berlin, the end of the fall of the wall.

In a certain way, if you see these people, they identify 1989 what happened in South Africa.

Suddenly, you have a majority which is different than us.

By the way, it's much easier to become from communist anti-communist than from white to become black and the other way around.

This kind of a story that there are too many people- I've seen movies about that.

I think that's true.

Yeah.

There are too many people not like us and democracy is about numbers.

Here comes the fear of democracy because democracy at the end of the day is counting.

And the fact that we are going to be outvoted, this created this kind of anxiety about democracy.

And this is not by accident that most of these people, they're not so much talking how you're going to govern the world, but how you try to run out of the world, how to escape.

We should go to Mars.

And by the way, why Greenland is so interesting?