Ivana Hughes

All of this is just so, so horrific.

This idea that we would ever...

conduct something like nuclear war.

I mean, Reagan and Gorbachev said in 1986, nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought.

Khrushchev said in the 1960s that the survivors would envy the dead.

And yet here we are, you know, 80 years into the nuclear age, still in, I would say in many ways, playing nuclear roulette with

That one is really, really devastating.

I hadn't actually, I mean, I think with the war in Ukraine, we had sort of gone a sense, right, that a nuclear power plant presents this very kind of special type of threat in war zones.

And this was the war in Ukraine was actually quite simply the first war where we had nuclear

active fighting in a country, active military conflict, violent conflict in a country that had nuclear power plants.

That just had not been the case previously.

And, you know, there are a whole lot of things you could say about nuclear power and potential dangerous threats and so on.

But in the case of a conflict, a nuclear power plant can become a weapon in and of itself.

Of course.

So I read the book a while back.

Absolutely.

No, no, no.

This is now a radiation.

So now people are dying all over the Western United States from radiation.

the absolutely enormous amount of radioactivity that is spread, right?