Jack Clark

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

And for the first time, we could see in aggregate the conversation the world was having with our system.

We're going to need to build many new systems like that, which allow for different ways of seeing.

And that system that I just named allowed us to then build this thing called the Anthropic Economic Index, because now we can release regular data about the different topics people are talking about with Claude and how that relates to different types of jobs, which for the first time gives economists outside Anthropic some hook into these systems and what they're doing to the economy.

The work of the company is increasingly going to shift to building a monitoring and oversight system of the AI systems running the company.

And ultimately, any kind of governance framework we end up with will probably demand some level of transparency and some level of access into these systems of knowledge.

Because if we take as literal the goals of these AI companies, including Anthropic, it's to build the most capable technology ever, which eventually gets deployed everywhere.

Well, that sounds a lot to me like eventually AI becomes indistinguishable from the world writ large, at which point you don't want only AI companies to have a sense of what's going on with the entire world.

So it's going to be governments, academia, third parties, a huge set of stakeholders outside the companies are going to want to see what's going on and then have a conversation as society about what's

appropriate and what do we feel discomfort about?

What do we need more information about?

Wait, I want to go back on that.

You're saying Anthropic can see my chats?

We cannot see.

No human looks at your chats.

Chats are temporarily stored for trust and safety purposes, running classifiers over them.

And we can have Claude read it, summarize it, and toss it out.

So we never see it, and Claude has no memory of it.

All it does is try to write a very high-level summary.

So say you were having a conversation about gardening.

Claude would summarize that as this person's talking about gardening and it leads to a cluster we can see that just says gardening.

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