Jack Clark

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

Yes.

I mean, a couple of things here.

A year ago, we started thinking about our position on consumer and we adopted this position of not running ads because we think that's an area that people obviously have anxieties about with regard to this kind of thing.

In addition to that, we try and

show people their data.

And we have a button on the site that lets you download all the data that you shared with Claude so that you can at least see it.

Generally, we're trying to be extremely transparent with people about how we handle their data.

And ultimately, the way I see it is people are going to want a load of controls that they can use, which I think we and others will build out over time.

This is one of the situations which people warned about for years, some form of delegation to systems that have slightly inscrutable and unpredictable aspects.

And so this is happening.

We take this really, really seriously.

I think it's absolutely possible that you can build a system that does the vast majority of what needs to be done here.

This has the property of being a fractal problem.

You know, if I wanted to measure Ezra, I could build an almost infinite number of measurements to characterize you.

But the question is, at what level of fidelity do I need to be measuring you?

I think we'll get to the level of fidelity to deal with the safety issues and societal issues.

But it's going to take a huge amount of investment by the companies.

And...

We're going to have to say things that are uncomfortable for us to say, including in areas where we may be deficient in what we can or can't know about our systems.

And Anthropic has a long history of talking about and warning about some of these issues while working on it.

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