Jack Clark

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

We actually do policy.

I think the default outcome is something like what you described, but getting there is actually a choice and we can make different choices.

The whole purpose of what we release in the form of the Anthropic Economic Index is the ability to have data that ties to occupations that tie to real jobs in the economy.

We do that very intentionally because it is building a map over time of how this AI is making its way into different jobs and will empower economists outside Anthropic to tie it together.

I believe that we can choose different things in policy if we can make much more well-evidenced claims about what the cause of a job disruption or change is.

And the challenge in front of us is can we characterize this emerging AI economy well enough that we can make this extremely stark?

And then I think that we can actually have a policy discussion about it.

Well,

We have generalized anxiety about the effect of AI on the economy and on jobs.

We don't have clear policy ideas.

Part of that is that elected officials are not moved solely or mostly by the high-level policy conversation.

They're moved by what happens to their constituents.

Only a few months ago were we able to produce state-level views for our economic index and

And now you can start having the policy conversation.

And we've had this with elected officials where now we can say, oh, you're from Indiana.

Here's the major uses of AI in your state, and we can join it with major sources of employment.

And what we're starting to see is that activates them because it makes it tied to their constituents who are going to tie it to the politician of what did you do.

Now,

What you do about this is going to need to be an extremely kind of multi-layered response ranging from extending unemployment for especially occupations that we know are going to be hardest hit to thinking about things like apprenticeship programs.

And then as the scenarios get more and more significant, you may extend to much larger social programs or things like

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