Jack Clark

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

subsidizing jobs in the part of the economy where you want to move people to, that you're only able to do if you experience the kind of abundance that comes from significant economic growth.

But the economic growth may help solve some of these other policy challenges by funding some of the things you can do.

I want to push on this just a bit where we know that there is one intervention that helps people dealing with like a changing economy more than almost anything else.

It is just time.

Giving the person time to find either a job in their industry or to find a job that's complimentary.

If people don't have time, they take lower wage jobs.

They fall out of whatever economic rung they're on and they fall down at it.

Policy interventions that can just give people time to search is, I think, a robustly useful intervention and one where there are many like dials to turn in a policymaking sense that you can use.

And I think this is just well supported by lots of the economic literature.

So we have that.

Now, if we end up in a more

extreme scenario, like some of the ones that you're talking about, I think that will just bring us to the larger national conversation about what to do about this technology, which is beginning to happen.

If you look at the states and the flurry of legislation at the state level,

Yes, not all of it is exactly the right policy response, but it is indicative of a desire for there to be some larger coherent conversation about this.

I had a baby recently and came back from paternity leave to the new systems we'd built.

I was deeply surprised.

I mean, under the situation you're describing, the economy will be running extremely hot.

Huge amounts of economic activity will be generated by these AI systems.

And under most scenarios where this is happening, I don't think you're going to be seeing GDP stay the same or shrink, right?

It's going to be getting substantially larger.

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