Jack Clark

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

I think we just haven't experienced major GDP growth in the West in a long time.

And we sort of forget what that affords you in a policymaking sense.

I think that there are huge projects that we could do that would allow you to create new types of jobs.

but it requires the economic growth to be so kind of profoundly large that it creates space to do those projects.

And as you're deeply familiar with your work on the abundance movement, it requires the social will to believe that we can build stuff and to want to build stuff.

But I think both of those things might come along.

I think that we could end up being in

a pretty exciting scenario where we get to choose how to allocate great efforts in society due to this large amount of economic growth that has happened.

That is going to require the conversation to be forced about this isn't temporary, which I think is what you're gesturing at.

And in a sense, the hardest thing to communicate to policymakers is there isn't a natural stopping point for this technology.

It's going to keep getting better.

And the changes it brings are going to keep compounding with the rest of society.

So that will need to create a change in political will and a willingness to entertain things which we haven't in some time.

There's kind of a funny lesson here from the AI companies or companies in general, especially tech companies, where often new ideas come out of companies by them creating what they always call the startups within a startup, which is basically taking whatever process has like built up over time, leading to backend bureaucracy or schlep work and saying to a very small team inside the company, you don't have any of this, go and do some stuff.

And this is, you know, how things like Claude Code and other stuff get created.

Ideas that kind of are starting to float around are what would it look like to sort of create that permissionless innovation structure in the larger economy.

And it's really, really hard because it has the additional property that, you know, economies are linked to democracies, democracies weigh the preferences of many, many people, and all politics is local.

So often, as you've encountered with infrastructure buildouts,

If you want to create a permissionless innovation system, you run into things like property rights and what people's preferences are, and now you're in an intractable place.

But my sense is that's the main thing that we're going to have to confront.

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