Jack Clark

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541 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 27 Mar

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

The one advantage that AI might give us is it is a native bureaucracy eating machine if done correctly, or a bureaucracy creating machine if done badly.

Oh, and it writes environmental review things.

Yep.

It's for everything in AI has the other side of the coin.

We have customers that have used our AI systems to massively reduce the time it takes them to produce all of the materials they need when they're submitting new drug candidates.

And it's cut that time massively.

It's the mirror world version of what you just described, right?

I don't have an easy answer to this.

I think that this is the kind of thing that becomes actionable when it is more obviously a crisis and actionable when it's something that you can discuss at a societal level.

I guess the thing that we're circling around in this conversation is that the changes of AI will kind of happen almost everywhere.

And the risks of it, it happens in a diffuse, unknowable way, such that it is very hard to call it for what it is and take actions on it.

But the opportunity is that if we can actually see the thing and help the world see the thing that is causing this change, I do believe it will dramatize the issues to kind of shake us out of some of this stuff and help us figure out how to work with these systems and benefit from them.

I love this question.

I think there's a real chicken and egg problem here where if you work with the technology, you develop these very strong intuitions for just how much it can do.

And the private market is great at forcing those intuitions to get developed.

We haven't had massive large-scale public-side deployments of this technology, so many of the people in the public sector don't yet have those intuitions.

One positive example is something the Department of Energy is doing called the Genesis Project, where their scientists are working with all of the labs, including Anthropic, to figure out how to actually go and intentionally speed up bits of science.

Getting there took us and other labs doing multiple hack days and meetings with scientists at the Department of Energy to the point where they not only had intuitions, but they became excited.

And they had ideas of what you could turn this toward.

How we do that for the larger parts of the public life that touch most people, like healthcare or education...

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