Jack Clark

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

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aggressively, you could imagine a world where the government wanted some of this infrastructure build out to be for computers that were just training public benefit systems.

But I think we get there through getting the initial wins, which will just look like, let's just make the bureaucracy work better and feel better for people.

Help people see the actual big-ticket new stuff we can do.

Those things have to actually exist.

And experience it, yeah.

Yeah.

The greatest example is this program called the Genesis Project, where there's real work there to think about how we can intentionally move forward different parts of science.

And I think

Giving elected officials the ability to stand up to the American people and say, these are parts of science that are going to benefit you in healthcare, and we now know how to step on the gas with AI for them would be really helpful.

My guess is in a year or two years, we'll be able to answer the mail on that one, but it's just got started.

But we need clearly 10 projects like it.

I can't talk about discussions with an extremely important partner that are ongoing, so I'll just have to stop it there.

We've been longtime partners to the national security community, and we were the first to deploy on classified networks.

But the reason for that was actually a project which I stewarded, which was to figure out if our AI systems knew how to build nuclear weapons.

This is an area of bipartisan agreement where people agree that we shouldn't deploy AI systems into the world that know how to build nukes.

And so we partnered with parts of the government to do that analysis.

That maybe illustrates what I think of as the thing to shoot for, for not just us, but all the AI companies, is how do we both prevent the potential for national security harm coming to the public or proliferating out of these systems?

But also the second part is, how do we just sort of improve the defensive posture of the world?

And I'll give you an example that I think is in front of us right now.

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