Jack Clark

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

We recently published a blog, and other companies have done similar work on how we fixed a load of cybersecurity vulnerabilities in popular open source software using our systems, and many others have done the same.

So yes, there will be all kinds of offensive uses, and there will be societal conversations to be had about that.

But we can just generally improve the defensive posture and resilience of pretty much every digital system on the planet today.

And I think that that will actually do a huge amount to...

make the whole international system more stable, and also create a greater defensive posture for countries, which helps them feel more relaxed, and relaxed countries are less likely to do erratic, frightening things.

It's the early days of the internet all over again, where there were all kinds of banners for different websites, or you could download MP3s to your computer that would completely break your computer, or download helper software for your Internet Explorer taskbar that was just like a phishing device.

We're there.

We're there with AI.

We'll move beyond this.

But I believe that people, when they experiment, come up with amazing, useful things as well.

So my take is you have to say when you're doing the thing that might be extremely dangerous and put big banners, but mostly you still want to empower people to be able to do that experiment.

Maybe the way I'd put it is sometimes I've, and you've likely have the same, had the ability to have certain insights that have come through reading a vast, vast amount of stuff for many different subjects and piecing it together in my head and having that experience of having a new idea and being creative.

I think we underestimate just how quickly AI is going to be able to start doing that on an almost daily basis for us, going and reading vast tracks of human knowledge, synthesizing things, coming up with ideas, telling us things about the world in real time that are basically unknowable today.

The amazing part is people are going to have the ability to know things that are just wildly expensive or difficult to know today or would take you a team of people to do.

The sort of frightening part is I think that knowledge is the most raw form of power.

It's intensely like destabilizing to be in an environment where suddenly everyone is like a mini CIA in terms of their ability to gather information about the world.

They'll do huge, amazing things with it, but surely there are going to be crises that come about from this.

And I think the actual mental load of being a person interacting with these systems is going to be quite strange.

I already find this where I'm like, am I keeping up with the ability of these systems to produce insights for me?

How do I structure my life so I can take advantage of it?

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