Jack Neel

that thinks there's magic to life and you will things into existence.

And this is something that it is your logical view as well as it is the view that you want to have for humanity.

But do you think that these other individuals that have this AI doom thesis are trying to will that reality into existence?

It's so fascinating because with you in particular, I spoke with another AI founder about this.

I was like, it's so interesting that Amjad's thesis is like AI won't kill us all.

And

Like you would assume that would be the thesis of all the billionaire AI founders.

Like, oh, it's not going to kill us all.

It's like, oh shit, it might actually.

But it's really like they're all saying it is, but it's actually not.

And I think the only other person that's really in the space with these individuals that has a similar thesis to you is Naval Ravikant.

There's probably a few others that I just haven't consumed their content.

But what's the main logical reason for it?

Just to give people some,

Hope, because I've had a lot of doomers on my show and I haven't had anyone in your position.

So self-recursive improvement is kind of a fallacy to you like when it comes to things that aren't binary?

Science used to be more spiritual, is what you're saying?

Yes.

I mean, Pythagoras, correct me if I'm wrong, he basically invented like this whole religion of numerology, right?

and it's just like it creates this clarity and sometimes there's like really exciting ideas that comes out of that it's all about creating state changes and kind of split testing like what ideas or I guess even personalities communication styles like come out of those but do you feel like I gave you a good answer for like the doomerism question I really did want to touch on the cult but