Jack Wagoner

What do you think about that?

Absolutely not.

I do think that at some point, the word worth and worthy can be a little tricky because one of the big things that I've noticed and the reason I started this podcast is people like us, very ambitious people, feel some sort of delta between where they are and where they want to be that creates dissatisfaction in their life.

They feel like they're not worthy of joy or gratitude because they haven't achieved the external version of themselves that they want to achieve.

So I came up with this concept of the duality of gratitude and ambition, where you're grateful for where you are right now while still wanting to achieve more.

It's pretty similar to manifestation as I've learned more about that from guests I've had on the podcast and books.

But I guess in your life, how have you felt that?

Have you felt at moments you've been so ambitious that you've lost joy for right now?

And then have you been able to come back to something that you're grateful for right now that's pushing you toward growth in the future?

I have, yeah.

So if everything else is just gravy, what's driving you to continue to grow and continue to get better?

Yeah.

Yeah, and I think that definitely comes out in your content.

And it's one reason that you have so many people that resonate so deeply.

Looking through your comment sections on episodes I watched preparing for this, there are so many people that just love your energy.

And that's one of the things they comment on a lot.

I love Hala's energy.

I love her vibe.

And I think that is just the genuineness that people feel when watching it, that you're doing it because you're having fun, because you love it.

And that's one of the most important things we can cultivate because a lot of people, both of us know this, a lot of people getting into this game are doing it for the money.