Jacob Barandes
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first heard Jan 2025
last heard Jun 2025
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I mean there was a time when people would speak of Newtonium mechanics as a theory of cause and effect.
Right.
Oh, Newtonium mechanics is a theory of cause and effect, and quantum mechanics is not a theory of cause and effect.
You see this in popular depictions of quantum theory even today in some in some cases, but this is also some of the language that was being used back in the twenties and thirties.
It wasn't, I think, a matter of justification.
I think people just collapsed the notion of determinism and ca and cause and effect to mean this sort of similar kind of a thing.
Um and but around the time, people were already beginning to question whether causation was a sensible notion at the microphysical level, right?
There's this famous quotation versus Russell, right?
Causation persists, you know, only out of the mistake out like the royal family, only out of the mistaken impression that it does no harm.
His words, his words.
Uh we we like the quotation.
Um and and now I think a lot of f for for the most part, practitioners both in physics and in philosophy of science tend not to speak of Newtonian mechanics in terms of cause and effect, because those are difficult to define.
We we tend to talk about it in terms of deterministic microphysical laws.
So that's one example I think where we've taken something that we take very you know every day we we see cause and effect all over the place.
I mean, cause and effect is at the center of how we do medical.
medical testing.
Okay.
Culpability for moral acts, cause and effect.
But I think we've gotten better at maybe not extending those ideas all the way down to the microphysical level.
I think so I I very much agree with this.
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