Jacob Frey

I mean, and they believe in command and control and the order that they bring.

And they also very much believe in the constitution and that so many of these people,

would you call them careerists?

Yeah.

These professionals.

Yeah.

That so many of them have said, that's it.

We've had enough.

We're out.

We can't do this anymore.

Both, I give them a lot of credit for, you know, leaving their job because they're not willing to do this horrible thing.

And at the same time, it's really problematic because what does that leave you with?

It leaves you with, I don't know, loyalists who are just going to do whatever the president tells you to do.

failure of imagination, perhaps failure of believing that he's going to do the things that he says he's going to do.

Right.

I mean, some of these horrific things he has told people that he was going to do them.

And, you know, I could probably count myself in with those that should have

believed that he was going to do some of this crazy stuff because at least initially back in 2016 i kind of shoved it off like oh my god come on that's ridiculous um but now we're in a second term here and he's carrying some of it out and it's terrifying uh and it's reached a whole new level than anything that we saw in that first term well do you think there's any end in sight to this or is it it's going to your your last is the court the sort of a the last place you can go

Well, we are accessing every single channel that we have.

Yes, we are litigating preemptively.