Jacob Savage

But everyone sort of was play acting at living in a different decade than the decade they were actually living in.

How did that happen?

I think it's tough.

I mean, part of me wanted to get into sort of the full origins of this, but it's hard to know exactly.

My sense is that

there was a lot of disappointment after the first obama term and you know race relations gender relations had not been completely utopianly healed in america and i think that people

went crazy.

And I think the media drove cycle after cycle about this for almost a decade.

And it's hard when you're the CEO of one of these companies to say, we're going to ignore it.

Think about how many people sort of got canceled in the 2010s for not real stuff.

um it was just this hype cycle i think i think probably if you go into it it was probably a combination of politics technology and media that made it take off so intensely without even because the interesting thing is there were no government mandates like mandating people you know you know obviously in fact it's actually illegal to do this stuff um but

it all kind of swirled around to create this pressure both from the bottom from sort of like the the generic twitter user in 2015 and from the top you know where you're like the top the people at the top didn't want to be called a racist um or a misogynist so you ended up with converging on these pressures that uh kind of froze out younger white men so what do you think the fields are the the worst that were hit by dei

So I wrote about in the article very specifically and in depth about media, academia and Hollywood.

I think those I wrote about those fields, not because I think those were the only fields that were affected, but because they were the most relentless about cataloging what they were doing.

So, you know, every year there would be reports that told you what how many new hires were of which gender and race.

Right.

Which makes it very easy to sort of go go back and prove prove the case that you were making.

Now, I think it happened.

It obviously happened in almost every case.

liberal field.