James Fox

Mm-hmm.

I heard about Virginia in the late 90s when I was making my second UFO documentary, and my British friend and co-producer at the time, Tim Coleman, very smart guy, he's like, oh, yeah, mate, we got to look into this, because we map out the film, generally speaking.

It's like, hey, let's look, you know,

how about we'll look into the Phoenix Lights case and how about, you know what I mean?

We kind of map the film out that way and then we stitch it together with narrative, whatever.

The Australian case, I think you covered.

Yeah, that was in the phenomenon.

But in any case, at the time I was mapping it out and he was like, yeah, let's put this one on the chalkboard.

You know, you hear about this UFO crash in Brazil and the live aliens walking through the town and I looked at him and I was like,

I picked the wrong partner.

It sounded nuts to me.

I was with my buddy, Boris, and he looked at me kind of sideways and I was looking at him sideways.

And then I looked at Tim and I said to myself quietly, I think I picked the wrong partner.

This guy's nuts.

Like, you know, not only did I not look into the case for over 10 years, so I finished Out of the Blue, then I did Director's Cut for Out of the Blue, okay, years later.

Then I did a two hour special called I Know What I Saw,

I ended up selling that to A&E, the broadcast on the History Channel.

And then I got invited to, and that was before, and I never looked into the Varginha, I refused to.

And then I flew to, I got invited to Brazil, a place called Paraíbe, and I met with AJ, this guy AJ Javard, who's a Brazilian UFO researcher, magazine editor.

And before I left, this guy named Jeff Sagansky, I think he used to be head of like Sony Pictures.