James Fox

I had a level of access that I'd never had before and success that I'd never really had before.

that film really transcended the ufo community into a much broader more mainstream audience which was one of my objectives and so i kind of that was a that was a top 10 doc when it came out i believe yeah no it was number three in all genres right number two or number three in all genres all genres yeah wasn't a virginia supposed to be yes so so you looked into it and you said oh i got it i looked into it for years and i filmed

And I cut it all out.

You said, I need to do a whole.

I said, we need to find the crash witness.

We need to find more of this witness.

We need to da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

Thank goodness.

Yeah, and I was like, and my counterparts in Brazil were devastated when they found out.

Absolutely devastated.

Remember the work we'd done already?

And I said, Marco, sit tight.

I promise you, we're going to go back to the drawing board.

We're going to do just, this film needs an entire dedication to just, this case needs to be a film on its own.

We need to go back and do more research.

And we've been investigating.

So the film dropped at a time when we hadn't had congressional hearings.

We hadn't had David Grush.

Talk about... This is 23 when it dropped?

No, I dropped this in 2022.