James Pogue
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first heard Jan 2025
last heard Jan 2025
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So I have a very clear answer to this, actually. Because when I first met J.D., he was talking about the process that now they are trying to fully achieve of overthrowing the American regime. And You know, I met him just sort of coming from the left as a curious observer, writing a skeptical piece actually for the American conservative, which is a really weird project.
And it was it was kind of like nice of him to be willing to participate. So he had to do this process. And this is what year we're talking in? This was when he was just entering into his Senate race. And he had to kind of sit me down and explain the basics as though to a kindergartner. And I asked, you know, what is this regime?
And he said, the regime is the 20% of the American public that knows that its children are going to have to get into one of the IVs or Chicago or Stanford. in order to get ahead in this essentially oligarchical culture that he believes we live in.
And so when people think about the regime, they frequently kind of mistake what the right is talking about these days because they're frequently thinking that it's synonymous with the deep state. And it's not really that. What it is is this complex of university professors, NGOs, which I'm sure we'll talk about at least a little bit, and the way that...
sort of NGOs work to shape policy and to shape worldviews in the United States. It's also this cathedral. It's also this complex of media enforcement of an ideology that they see emanating from institutions like The New Yorker and The New York Times. And the tech companies. And the tech companies, although that's a little bit changing.
Yes. And they would argue, perhaps compellingly, and perhaps this was for the best, that the idea of equality and equity became the sort of governing worldview. The idea that all men are created equal became the governing liberal worldview shared across all institutions. And then another ideology of equality essentially globalism.
And so fundamentally, like part of what goes into conservatism is that all men are not created equal. Some men are born to be elites. Some men are born to rule.
So traditionalism is like a really loose ideology. And the traditionalist thinker that probably most people will have heard of is this guy, Julius Evola.
Yeah, like a weird, I'm not even sure they, some places claim he was a nobleman, some don't. And, you know, Evola had this whole deeply esoteric philosophy of, I can't even really go into it, you know, ideas of solar-influenced people and nations and lunar-influenced and things like that.
And so you'll hear, to go a little bit afield here, you'll hear Alexander Dugin talking in Russia about solar Putin and things like this. And that's coming from this traditionalist ferment
But, you know, essentially traditionalism is an attempt to formalize a lot of what we're talking about, that there are these kind of like fundamental, honestly, like elites, that there are fundamental differences between peoples. You know, Suivola very much was one of these people that thought that whites were above other races and things like that. And, you know...
We can sort of speculate and talk for days and days and days about whether or not Bannon believes that racial element of the traditionalist thing. I have talked to him a lot and he's very careful about saying, hey, my populist nationalism is pro-American citizen. I don't care what color of an American citizen you are, but I am pro-American citizen. And so-
I think that's very true, but you have to kind of incorporate another element to it. So to go back to someone like George Bush or Ronald Reagan, I agree, they're nationalists. And at the end of the day, these kind of spiritual conceptions that existed latently in our culture long through the modern era of, you know, America is a shining city on a hill. America is a special project.
America is even, you know, on the right, like some form of Zion concept. put here by God to lead people into a better future and things like this. These are, in their own ways, spiritual views, right? And they retained a great deal of force on the right for a long time.
But what a Steve Bannon would say is that actually the politics, the superstructures of global politics made being a casual nationalist increasingly impossible. And so the forces of globalization, the worldview that, hey, like, it doesn't matter... How many people come in? What Bannon does is basically say, like, look, this is the structure. This is how it works.
This is how the dollar system works. This is how our system of overseas bases works. This is how global trade flows work. And this is why you can't have that nationalism anymore. And that's why we have to destroy it. So the Bannon project actually very much is...
a kind of policy-based attempt to explain to people in Kentucky why he feels like they have been screwed and why he feels like their leaders no longer allow them to say, it'd be great to have my kids buried in the same cemetery as my grandparents. Because suddenly... I think this is true. Suddenly, that did start to sound like a weird thing to say.
And for most of American history, that would have just been normal. Sure, yeah, that's great. Like, you want your whole family buried in the same cemetery. Like, we all want to stick together. We're all one little group of family.
Well, so, yeah. I mean, I, yet again, couldn't agree more with that. That, you know, the term that people will use is heritage Americans. And, you know, I sometimes get confused because there's a little, like, weirdness in how they use that. Like, are Italians who came in the Ellis Island era heritage Americans? And candidly, like, most people who are using this phrase would not say that's true.
Right. There is something about the heritage American that comes from those original tribes of largely Scots-Irish or English people settling the Trans-Appalachian or the Northeast. And an America that derives its culture from the song, story, and religion of those people that is being diluted. And...
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