James Pogue
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first heard Jan 2025
last heard Jan 2025
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And that's very much sort of the role that Trump occupies right now. In terms of the stuff where you're trying to get to the point of family formation and reward, for example, like have men be...
rewarded in public and seen as honorable and good for what they do for being family men and fathers instead of for being like a cool dj you do have to do policy to make that happen right you do have to do some kind of policies in the jd vance kind of realm of like how do you remake family formation you do have to i mean in what i find to be like a little bit of a horror vision like
Do you have to like remilitarize society? Do you have to do what I know plenty of people are advocating right now, which is like invade Mexico just as a reason to send young men to go defend their communities from fentanyl exporters? Like people are talking about that. And when you say people, who is talking about that?
I mean, I like I have to be very careful about like not revealing like off the record stuff, but like, yeah, intellectuals in this general space of like new rightish heterodox. I know this is going to sound funny because we've spent this entire time talking about the divisions between the nationalist populace and the tech right and this kind of thing.
But it really is true that it's a pretty small world and people know each other. And there are people who sort of like swim in this stew. And so some of it is like jokers who are trying to like make a name for themselves by saying we have to invade Mexico.
But in this particular case, which I bring up, there's demonstrably been some influence from that because Donald Trump has refused to deny the possibility that American special forces will go attack cartels. So you can see it.
Yeah.
In a certain way, this is all connected, right? So, okay, if you're Blake Masters or J.D. Vance and you want to be able to have a man on a single income raise a multiple child household with your wife living at home, okay, well, one way you get there is you have this super dynamic, tech-driven revitalization of the American defense base
And then eventually when all rising powers come to conflict, these men do get to conquer and go do their thing. And, you know, it's pretty hard for families to raise a ton of kids while the man is off working without the benefit of community. So suddenly probably people are going back to Catholic church way more.
And like the whole thing kind of fits together in this beautiful puzzle that'll just rise. Like if we can just adjust our value structure, right? Yeah. It's so hard to explain to someone who's not a part of the headspace because they go, well, wait, how does invading Panama have anything to do with family formation?
But if you are in the headspace, it's almost sort of Marxian or millenarian because it's just everything explains itself. It all fits together. It all works. And I think... for better or for worse, people are going to actually start to grasp how that vision fits together because it is going to be at least in part America's new governing vision.
Yeah, I've been thinking about this. This is a square. My first recommendation is a square one, but I think it's For people who are coming a little new to this, I think it's pretty important. I would recommend Patrick Deneen's book, Regime Change.
I like to think of it as like Curtis Yarvin for normies, but it explains this whole idea of elite replacement and what you're trying to do and what Deneen calls a constitutional regime change that I think a lot of people on that side of things are now hoping we're living through. So I would recommend that. I'm going to recommend next something that... I hope doesn't get me in trouble.
And that some people might find like very, very distasteful, but is book length. And it would be the work by Martyr Maid or Daryl Cooper, who did perhaps like most revealingly a history of Jim Jones, the guy, the Kool-Aid guy that retells the Not so much the Jim Jones— When you say the Kool-Aid guy, you don't mean the guy who made Kool-Aid, but— I do not.
I mean the guy who led his followers in the People's Church down to Guyana and eventually had them all commit suicide. Martyr Made does an extremely long podcast series where it essentially does a counter-narrative of the entire history of post-1960s progress and— And it's a really revealing way of seeing from the right how they think that everything actually went wrong.
And it's something that I think if you kind of can get into it, and some people will violently, violently disagree with a lot of what he's saying. And they've probably seen little snippets of things that he said on Tucker Carlson about World War II that really blew up and made this guy like very anathema.
But if you want to understand the worldview, that Jim Jones series, I think really helps people get into the headspace of how a lot of these people on the new right think we got to the point that we're at. And it really helped me in understanding this whole thing. And then I guess my last book would be a little disconnected, but I do live in Los Angeles and I've been
very, very disillusioned by some of the rancor and lies and idiocy around the fire policy stuff. And there's a great, fat, really boring, way too detailed, but really revealing book called Between Two Fires that is like a history of American fire by a guy named Stephen Pine. And it really teaches you a lot about the American landscape. And I think people might benefit from it.
Thank you. I really appreciate this.
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