Jamie Dodd

Does it really make sense to allow him to kind of, okay, I'm going to be making these moves and hiring Rian Johnson.

What if you are in a point a year from now where Jim Rutherford is retiring and you're going to hire a new president?

Well, aren't they going to want to make a bunch of changes or bring in their own people?

And I kind of almost talk myself back into a point where...

Like, maybe ownership does decide just to ride out a year, ride out a year, ride out Jim Rutherford's contract, ride out another year of Patrick Alvin's contract, ride out another year of Adam Foote's contract, and then do a full house cleaning at that point.

And I don't think that would be fun.

In fact, I know it wouldn't.

But at least I could see some logic to it.

I don't see any logic to it.

I don't.

Well, then you got to make the changes now.

Because again, isn't Rutherford staying and hiring someone else just like another kind of half measure?

I don't know that you can completely absolve Rutherford of Talkett leaving, though.

Because Talkett leaving was a part response to the chaos.

You know what?

Regardless of the other circumstances.

Because I agree with you with Foote.

So I amend it to, could I see ownership just riding out the last years of Rutherford and Alvin's contracts?

Because you're right.

I'll take foot out of it.